“from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness” – Revelations 12:14

 

Scriptures

  1. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.
    ( Revelations 12:14 ) [ Link ]

 

In Depth

 

Commentary

Link

Ellicott’s Commentary

  1. Prosecution
    • The woman is persecuted and driven into the wilderness: yet it is with the eagle wings given her by her Lord that she flies; the serpent drives her into the wilderness: yet it is in the wilderness that her place is prepared by God.
    • The way that seems hard is the way that is most blest.
    • The opposition of the dragon brings her blessings that she never would have received except in persecution; neither the eagle power nor the heavenly sustenance had been hers without the serpent’s hate.
    • Thus is the trial of faith precious in bringing us to know the priceless blessings of heavenly help and heavenly food.
  2. Eagle’s Wings
    • She is given eagle’s wings. God had spoken of the deliverance of Israel under a similar emblem, “Ye have seen . . . how I bare you on eagles’ wings and brought you unto myself”
    • There is a difference as well as a resemblance in the emblem here. In Exodus God is said to have borne Israel on eagles’ wings: here the wings are given to the woman. The strength of the earlier dispensation is a strength often used for, rather than in, the people of God; the strength of the latter is a strength in them: “They mount up with wings as eagles” ( Isaiah 40:31 ).
  3. Wilderness
    • The place is not a chance spot: it is prepared of God; it is in the wilderness, but still it is the place God prepared for her. It is always a delight to faith to mark how the ordering of God works in and through the wilfulness and wickedness of the enemy: the Son of man goeth, as it was written, though there is a “woe” against the man by whom He is betrayed. The wicked one can never drive us from God’s place, but only to it, unless we are enemies to ourselves. She is nourished in the wilderness.

Heard at Church

 

  1. George Müeller
    • My brother, I am a constant reader of my Bible, and I soon found that what I was taught to believe did not always agree with what my Bible said. I came to see that I must either part company with John Darby, or my precious Bible, and I chose to cling to my Bible and part from Mr. Darby.” -George Müeller, a contemporary and one-time supporter of Darby quoted by Robert Cameron in his book, Scriptural Truth About the Lord’s Return, pages 146-147
      ( Link )
  2. Billy Graham
    • Billy Graham: ‘My Heart Aches for America’
      • Some years ago, my wife, Ruth, was reading the draft of a book I was writing. When she finished a section describing the terrible downward spiral of our nation’s moral standards and the idolatry of worshiping false gods such as technology and sex, she startled me by exclaiming, “If God doesn’t punish America, He’ll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.”
        ( Link )
  3. Left Behind
    • The only thing left behind is the bible itself
  4. Worship
    • Chinese Pastors
      • Upon return to China, the Chinese pastors remarked that they are surprised that the American Church can do so much without God
  5. Come to Jesus Meeting
    • Time Set aside to go over things
    • Confess
    • Ask for prayer
  6. Heavy Teaching
  7. Danny Boy
    • She bibled me out
    • She said “Well, thus, sayest the Lord”
  8. Altar Call
    • Daniel and Young Man
      • Daniel To Young Man
        • I saw you get up for the Altar call last well
        • But, then you got up again this week
      • He replied:
        • And, I am going to keep getting up until I get it right

John Nelson Darby – Dispensationalism & The Pre Trib Rapture – Day 01

 

Videos

  1. Plymouth Brethren & John Nelson Darby Founder Of Dispensationalism & The Pre Trib Rapture Exposed.
    • Videos
      • Video #1
        Channel :- Matt The Watchman Walker
        Published On :- 2018-Jan-20th
        Link

Profile

  1. Started as an Anglican
  2. Left Anglican and became PLymouth Brethren
  3. Catalytic Event
    • French Revolution
      • French Revolution was so revolutionary
  4. Dispensationalism’
    • Secret Rapture
      • Secret Rapture of the church
      • and, distinct from Israel
  5. Escathology
    • Premillennialism
      • Premillennialism, in Christian eschatology, is the belief that Jesus will physically return to the earth (the Second Coming) before the Millennium, a literal thousand-year golden age of peace.
      • The doctrine is called “premillennialism” because it holds that Jesus’ physical return to earth will occur prior to the inauguration of the Millennium.
      • Premillennialism is based upon a literal interpretation of Revelation 20:1–6 in the New Testament, which describes Jesus’ reign in a period of a thousand years.
    • Amillennial
      • However, the premillennialist view is not shared by all Christians. Mainline denominations such as Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and Catholic are generally amillennial and interpret this passage of Revelation as pertaining to the present time, when Christ reigns in Heaven with the departed saints; such an interpretation views the symbolism of Revelation as referring to a spiritual battle rather than a physical battle on earth. Amillennialists do not view the millennium mentioned in Revelation as pertaining to a literal thousand years, but rather as symbolic, and see the kingdom of Christ as already present in the church beginning with the Pentecost in the first book of Acts.
  6. 1833, Fully Formed
  7. 1884, Darby Wrote
    • The thoughts are new
    • And, the teaching “New Wine
    • Be discrete
    • Publicly Vague
    • It will not well to have it so clear
  8. 1845
    • Dogmatism
    • Vern S. Poythress, Author
      • Zeal for Christ
      • Indiscriminate rejection of everyone out of conformity with its ideas
  9. 1869
    • CH Spurgeon
      • Mr. Grant, Author
        • Book “Sword and Trowel” ( Link )
          • I know not a single instance where this controversial spirit did not exist in greater or less force. It is not for me to say that there are no exceptions to this rule; but I do advisedly say, that I am unacquainted with any single case to the contrary. This controversial feeling, often degenerating into something resembling regular quarrels, is the chronic condition of Plymouth Brethrenism.
          • So great, indeed, is their disposition to engage in controversy, often ending in something like a quarrel, that it would be a thing quite new to see two of their number remain together for many minutes without a decided disagreement on some one point or other.
          • A through Pope, though he will not admit it ( Spurgeon in relating to Darby )
          • Plymouth Brethren have no feeling wherever their principles are concerned. I know indeed of no sect or denomination so utterly devoid of kindness of heart. It is the most selfish religious system with which I am acquainted. It is entirely wrapped up in itself.
          • It recognizes no other denomination, whether the Church of England, or either of the Nonconformist denominations, as a church of Christ. Mr. Darby has again and again said in print, as well as written in private, that those who belong to his party in the metropolis, constitute the only church of Christ in London. . . .
  10. W.G. Turner
    • I am here to supply exposition, not brains
    • D.L. Moody
      • Will cause great increase in worldliness
  11. George Mueller
    • George Mueller
      • A philanthropist, who worked with orphans
      • Life of faith and pray is legendary even until today
    • B.W. Newton
      • Darby labelled him  a heretic
    • Bethesda Incident
      • George Mueller welcomed people that had been with B.W. Newton
      • Darby Objected and excommunicated George M.
      • George M. splitted and created a new movement called Open Brethren
    • William Cox
      • William Cox wrote about the event
        • Darby continued to castigate him
    • Robert Cameron
      • Robert Cameron Wrote
        • My brother, I am a constant reader of my Bible, and I soon found that what I was taught to believe did not always agree with what my Bible said. I came to see that I must either part company with John Darby, or my precious Bible, and I chose to cling to my Bible and part from Mr. Darby.” – George Müeller, a contemporary and one-time supporter of Darby quoted by Robert Cameron in his book, Scriptural Truth About the Lord’s Return, pages 146-147
    • Good Point
      • Mueller makes the point
      • And, I think he makes a good point
      • When people start studying the bible on their own, they never find the Dispensationalist system
      • It is a manufactured position
      • It is superimposed on the bible
      • It happened to me
        • The late great planet earth
  12. New Wine/New Splits
    • Occured
      • Only the brethren
      • The rest of the church is corrupt
      • Church split
    • Reason
      • Dominated by one man
      • He was unaccountable and unchecked in the use of Power
      • Differing views on non-essentials were not tolerated
      • Many times the teachings on non-essentials overwhelmed the central message of the gospel
      • No Articles of the Christian faith kept the central doctrines in the forefront, or provided a reference point for doctrinal discussions
  13. 1882, Darby Died

 

Dr. Thomas Oden, A theologian who made made no new contribution to theology

Who is Thomas Clark Oden?

Wikipedia
Link

Thomas Clark Oden was an American United Methodist theologian and religious author. He is often regarded as the father of the paleo-orthodox theological movement and is considered to be one of the most influential theologians of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st century.

Quotes & Works

  1. “The heart of my story is that the first part of 40 years of my life, I was way, way out there on a path that I had to go on in order to come back like the prodigal son to the father,” Oden told Al Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, in a 2015 interview. “But eventually I did and by my 40th year, I became deeply invested in listening carefully to the classical Christian consensus … of the ancient Christian writers and their interpretation of Scripture.”
  2. On Passing
    • Mark Tooley, Institute on Religion & Democracy president
      • “Tom is now with the early saints whose lives and teachings he studied so closely,” said Institute on Religion & Democracy president Mark Tooley, who called him “a dear friend and counselor, a brilliant and cheerful warrior for good causes, irreplaceable.
    • Russell Moore, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission
      • “What a loss to us all is the death of [Oden]. He is a hero of orthodox conviction,” tweeted Russell Moore, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.
  3. Paleo-orthodox
    • Fred Sanders
      • Fred Sanders, theology professor at Biola University, remembered Oden as a “paleo-orthodox champion of the classic, consensual Christian tradition.”
    • Michael Patton, Credo House

      • Oden coined the term paleo-orthodox, explained here ,  here by Credo House’s C. Michael Patton as:

        • This is the belief that the Christian faith can be found in the consensual beliefs of the church. This is a form of “consensual orthodoxy” (consensus fidelium). This search for consensus follows the dictum of Saint Vincent of L’rins: quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus, “that which was believed everywhere, always.” Normally, according to Thomas Oden, who coined the term “paleo-orthodoxy,” this consensual faith can be found in the first five centuries of the Christian church (Oden, Requiem: A Lament in Three Movements), before the “speculative scholasticism” of western Catholicism. The idea of theological progression is normally thought by strict adherents of Paleo-Orthodoxy as a post-enlightenment influenced methodology that should not be followed.

  4. Prolific
    • Oden wrote and edited hundreds of books, articles, and essays and gave speeches on such topics as church and the world, church controversies, evangelicalism, Kierkegaard, the Methodist church, church discipline, John Wesley, postmodernism, and others. His first volume with InterVarsity Press was Two Worlds (1992), which discussed the dichotomy of perishing modernity and emerging post modernity, and their impact on Christianity. He quickly followed this with the launch of the [ACCS] in 1998, forever changing the face of IVP’s publishing program.
  5. Association of Classical and Christian Schools

    • J. I. Packer

      • The ACCS’s patristics exposition was praised by Packer as “badly needed for several centuries, and the whole Christian world should unite to thank those who are undertaking to fill the gap.”
    • Joel Scandrett, director of the Robert E. Webber Center at the Trinity School for Ministry

      • One of Oden’s many former students, Joel Scandrett, director of the Robert E. Webber Center at the Trinity School for Ministry, said the theologian “passed on to me and generations of students his great love of the Triune God and the ancient legacy of patristic exegetical and trinitarian theology.

      • “His lifetime of work,” said Scandrett, “reveals that Christians need to rely upon the wisdom of the historical church, particularly the early church, rather than exclusively on modern scholarship and theology.”

  6. He made no new contribution to theology
    • Oden told CT in 1990 that he dreamed his epitaph would read: He made no new contribution to theology. He said:
      • In my dream I was extremely pleased, for I realized I was learning what Irenaeus meant when he warned us not to invent new doctrine. This was a great discovery for me. All my education up to this point had taught me that I must be compulsively creative. If I was to be a good theologian I had to go out and do something nobody else ever had done. The dream somehow said to me that this is not my responsibility, that my calling as a theologian could be fulfilled through obedience to apostolic tradition.

Videos

  1. Dr. Thomas Oden, author of How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind
    • Profile
      • Dr. Tom Oden, author of How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind, speaks with Dr. Jerry Pattengale of The Green Scholars Initiative about the role of Africa in the early Church
    • Videos
      • Video #1
        Channel :- InterVarsity Press
        Published On :- 2014-Jan-6th
        Link
  2. Libyan Christianity 1: A Libyan History Awaiting Discovery – Thomas C. Oden
    • Profile
      • Thomas Oden, professor of Theology Emeritus, Drew University; General Editor, Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture, explores historical Christianity by means of understanding the ancient culture and historical underpinnings of the people of Libya.
    • Videos
      • Video #1
        Channel :- Dallas Theological Seminary
        Published On :- 2012-July-27th
        Link

In depth

Dr. Thomas Oden, author of How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind

  1. 215 to 230 AD
  2. Christians in Palestine
  3. Intellectual Energy from South to North

Libyan Christianity 1: A Libyan History Awaiting Discovery – Thomas C. Oden

  1. Struggle of Rural Christianity
    • Conflict
      • North South Conflict
      • East west conflict
      • Christian/Islam Conflict
    • Undercurrent
      • Visa
      • Lockerbie
  2. Archbishop
  3. Socialism

References

  1. Wikipedia
    • Thomas C. Oden
      Link

 

Christian Ministers laid to rest ( 2015 thru 2018 )

2018

  1. Billy Graham
    • 2018-Feb-21st
  2. Chuck Missler
    • 2018-May-1st
  3. Eugene Petersen
    • 2018-Oct-22nd
  4. Kurt Kaiser
    • 2018-Nov-12th
    • Videos
      • Kurt Kaiser, Allowing God to Use Your Gifts
      • How he loves you and me
        • Kaoma
      • Pass it on
        • “Pass It On” – Kurt Kaiser, Ralph Carmichael (from “Tell It Like It Is,” 1968)
          Link

2017

  1. Eddie Long
    • 2017-Jan-15th
    • New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, Atlanta, GA ( Pastor )
  2. Cris Putnam
    • 2017-March-1st
    • Author
    • Co-Authored
      • Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here Apr 09, 2012 ( By Thomas Horn and Cris D. Putnam )
  3. Nabeel Qureshi
    • 2017-Sept-16th
    • Apologist and author
    • Authored
      • Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus

2016

  1. Kim Clement
    • 2016-Nov-23rd
    • House of Destiny ( Pastor )
  2. Tim Lahaye
    • Author
      • Left Behind Series
    • References
      • Christianity Today
        • Died: Tim LaHaye, Author Who ‘Left Behind’ a Long Legacy
          Link
  3. Thomas Oden
    • Methodist Theologian
    • References
      • Christianity Today
        • Died: Thomas Oden, Methodist Theologian Who Found Classical Christianity
          Link

2015

  1. John Paul Jackson
    • 2016-Nov-23rd
    • Streams Ministries International

 

Cited Work

  1. Christianity Today
    • 16 Scholars, Authors, and Celebs Evangelicals Lost in 2016 ( Remembering Thomas Oden, Peter Wagner, Cliff Barrows, Gordon Lewis, and others. )
      Link

Liars

Khaled Hosseini

Khalid Hosseini is my favorite author and his book, the Kite Runner speaks to me more than any other.

The Kite Runner

“there is only one sin, only one. And that is theft. Every other sin is a variation of theft. When you kill a man, you steal a life… you steal his wife’s right to a husband, rob his children of a father. When you tell a lie, you steal someone’s right to the truth. When you cheat, you steal the right to fairness… there is no act more wretched than stealing.”

He obviously does not think lying is fundamental, but that stealing is.

Christianity

Scripture

  1. Genesis
    •  You will not certainly die, the serpent said to the woman ( Genesis 3:4 )
  2. Leviticus
    • Do not steal, Do not lie, Do not deceive one another ( Leviticus 19:1 )
  3. Psalm
    • O LORD, who shall sojourn in your tent? Who shall dwell on your holy hill? He who walks blamelessly and does what is right and speaks truth in his heart; ( Psalm 15:1-2 )
    • For the Lord is right; and all His works are done in truth ( Psalm 33:4 )
    • I hate and detest falsehood ( Psalm 119:163 )
    • …The LORD has sworn to David A truth from which He will not turn back: “Of the fruit of your body I will set upon your throne.
      “If your sons will keep My covenant And My testimony which I will teach them, Their sons also shall sit upon your throne forever.”
      For the LORD has chosen Zion; He has desired it for His habitation.…
      ( Psalm 132:12 )
  4. Proverbs
    • Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart. ( Proverbs 3:3 )
    • The LORD detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy. ( Proverbs 12:22 )
    • An honest witness does not deceive, but a false witness pours out lies. ( Proverbs 14:5 )
    • Eloquent lips are unsuited to a godless fool— how much worse lying lips to a ruler! ( Proverbs 17:7 )
  5. Ecclesiastes
    • Keep this in mind: The Teacher was considered wise, and he taught the people everything he knew. He listened carefully to many proverbs, studying and classifying them.
      The Teacher sought to find just the right words to express truths clearly.
      ( Ecclesiastes 12:9-10 )
  6. Job
    • The righteous also shall hold on his way, and he that hath clean hands shall be stronger and stronger. ( Job 17:9 )
  7.  Isaiah
    • I did not speak in secret, in a land of darkness; I did not say to the offspring of Jacob, ‘Seek me in vain.’ I the Lord speak the truth; I declare what is right. ( Isaiah 45:19 )
    • Truth is nowhere to be found,
      and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey.
      The Lord looked and was displeased
      that there was no justice.
      ( Isaiah 59:15 )
  8. Daniel
    • But I will tell you what is inscribed in the book of truth: there is none who contends by my side against these except Michael, your prince. ( Daniel 10:21 )
  9. Malachi
    • The law of truth was in his mouth, and unrighteousness was not found in his lips; he walked with Me in peace and uprightness, and did turn many away from iniquity. ( Malachi 2-6 )
  10.  Hosea
    • Ephraim has surrounded me with lies, Israel with deceit. And Judah is unruly against God, even against the faithful Holy One. ( Hosea 17:2 )
  11. Zechariah
    • These are the things that you shall do: Speak the truth to one another; render in your gates judgments that are true and make for peace; ( Zechariah 8:16 )
  12.  Zephaniah
    • They will do no wrong; they will tell no lies. A deceitful tongue will not be found in their mouths. They will eat and lie down and no one will make them afraid.” ( Zephaniah 3:13 )
  13. John
    • Jesus and the Samaritan Woman …”God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.” Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.” ( John 4:25 )
    • “If I were to testify on my own behalf, my testimony would not be valid.
      But someone else is also testifying about me, and I assure you that everything he says about me is true.
      In fact, you sent investigators to listen to John the Baptist, and his testimony about me was true.
      Of course, I have no need of human witnesses, but I say these things so you might be saved.
      John was like a burning and shining lamp, and you were excited for a while about his message.
      But I have a greater witness than John—my teachings and my miracles. The Father gave me these works to accomplish, and they prove that he sent me. And the Father who sent me has testified about me himself. You have never heard his voice or seen him face to face, and you do not have his message in your hearts, because you do not believe me—the one he sent to you.
    • So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
      and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
      They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, ‘You will become free ‘?”…
      ( John 8: 31-33 )
    • You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. ( John 8:44 )
    • The truth is, a kernel of wheat must be planted in the soil. Unless it dies it will be alone – a single seed. But its death will produce many new kernels — a plentiful harvest of new lives ( John 12:24 )
    • Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. ( John 14-17 )
    • The Promise of the Holy Spirit …However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. He will glorify Me by taking from what is Mine and disclosing it to you. Everything that belongs to the Father is Mine. That is why I said that the Spirit will take from what is Mine and disclose it to you.… ( John 16:14 )
    • Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
      As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
      And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.( John 17:17-19 )
    • “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” ( John 18:37 )
  14. Acts
    • Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? ( Acts 5:3 )
    • Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. ( Acts 20:30 )
  15. Romans
    • Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. ( Romans 1:24-25 )
  16.  Ephesians
    • Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. ( Ephesians 4:29 )
  17. Colossians
    • Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices ( Colossians 3:9 )
  18. 1st Corinthians
    • This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
      The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
      The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments
  19. 2nd Corinthians
    • For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory ( 2 Corinthians 4:6 )
  20. Hebrews
    • For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and ha fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? ( Hebrews 10:26-29 )
  21. 1 Timothy
    • This and this only has been my appointed work: getting this news to those who have never heard of God, and explaining how it works by simple faith and plain truth. ( 1 Timothy 2:3-4 )
    • Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. ( 1 Timothy 4:2 )
  22. 2 Timothy
    • But God’s truth stands firm like a foundation stone with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and “All who belong to the Lord must turn away from evil.” ( 2 Timothy 2:19)
    • Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth (  2 Timothy 2:25 )
    • holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. ( 2 Timothy 3:5-7 )
  23. Ephesians
    • Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.
      ( Ephesians 4:15 )
  24. 2 Thessalonians
    • He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. ( 2 Thessalonians 2:10 )
  25. Philippians
    • And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and all discernment.
      So that you can discern what is best, that you may be pure and blameless
      for the day of Christ
      ( Philippians 1:9 -10 )
  26. 1 John
    • …By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:… ( 1st John 2:3-5 )
    • But you belong to God, my dear children. You have already won a victory over those people, because the Spirit who lives in you is greater than the spirit who lives in the world.
      Those people belong to this world, so they speak from the world’s viewpoint, and the world listens to them.But we belong to God, and those who know God listen to us. If they do not belong to God, they do not listen to us. That is how we know if someone has the Spirit of truth or the spirit of deception. ( 1 John 4:6 )
  27.  Titus
    • I have been sent to proclaim faith to[a] those God has chosen and to teach them to know the truth that shows them how to live godly lives.
      This truth gives them confidence that they have eternal life, which God—who does not lie—promised them before the world began.
      And now at just the right time he has revealed this message, which we announce to everyone. It is by the command of God our Savior that I have been entrusted with this work for him. ( Titus 1:1-3 )
    • …not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth. To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed. ( Titus 1:14-16 )
  28.  James
    • Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. ( James 3:1 )
  29. 2 Peter
    • But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves.
      Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered.
      In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.
  30.  Revelation
    • The Lamb and the 144,000 …These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they are virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever He goes. They have been redeemed from among men as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. And no lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. ( Revelation 14:5 )
    • Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. ( Revelation 22:15 )

Quotes

  1. Cutting It Straight with H.B. Charles Jr. [ Link ] & [ Link ]
    • Do not ever let their reaction control your faithfulness to the text ( Segment :- 20 thru 23 Minutes)
    • Preaching without a firm conviction and their can be no power in that preaching ( Segment :- 35-37 Minutes )
    • Error thrives in ambiguity. Playing around the margins.  One position is just as good as the other
    • We are living in very critical times
    • Satan’s great strength is that his lies make sense
    • Apologetics demands familiarity
    • Familiarity with the genuine lets one identify the counterfeit; for most people that is how they should reach the truth; they should not have to play around on the other side)
  2. R. Albert Mohler, Jr
    • Can be assured that his weak and evasive non-answer to this reporter’s question will put him at very little risk for arrest. But then, pandering prophets are rarely at much of a risk from the public anyway. There was no conviction in his answer; no clear declaration of biblical truth; no Gospel, no judgment, and no promise. Just a non-answer with a smile. Pathetic . . . simply pathetic.”
  3. Ravi Zacharias
    • The Hebrews gave to the world the moral categories. The Romans gave to the world the legal categories. The Greeks gave to the world the philosophical categories. The pursuit of the Hebrews was light. The pursuit of the Romans was glory, the glory of the Roman empire. The pursuit of the Greeks was knowledge. Now this is fascinating. The apostle Paul was born a Hebrew, a citizen of Rome, and studied in a Greek city. In 2 Corinthians 4:6 he writes, “For God, who said, ‘Light shall shine out of darkness,’ is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ”.
    • Truth is what guides our lives. If we don’t know God’s truth, we will unfortunately ground our life and existence in a lie. Ravi Zacharias said “ The fact is, the truth matters – especially when you’re on the receiving end of a lie.” A life grounded in truth is stable, strong and deeply rooted.
    • Intent has to precede content. To him who does not love the truth. To give him the truth is to multiply the reasons for misinterpretations
    • Narrowness means that I can not identify my own truth.
    • Truth by definition will always be restrictive. Truth will always have its boundaries.
    • Taking it a step further, the three tests for truth must be applied to any worldview: logical consistency, empirical adequacy, and experiential relevance. When submitted to these tests, the Christian message is utterly unique and meets the demand for truth.
    • A man rejects God neither because of intellectual demands nor because of the scarcity of evidence. A man rejects God because of a moral resistance that refuses to admit his need for God
    • I came to Him because I did not know which way to turn. I remained with Him because there is no other way I wish to turn. I came to Him longing for something I did not have. I remain with Him because I have something I will not trade. I came to Him as a stranger. I remain with Him in the most intimate of friendships. I came to Him unsure about the future. I remain with Him certain about my destiny. I came amid the thunderous cries of a culture that has 330 million deities. I remain with Him knowing that truth cannot be all-inclusive.
    • Every other person who is at the heart of any religion has had his or her beginning either in fancy or in fact. But nevertheless, there is a beginning. Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem was a moment preceded by eternity. His being neither originated in time nor came about by the will of humanity. The Author of time, who lived in the eternal, was made incarnate in time that we might live with the eternal in view. In that sense, the message of Christ was not the introduction of a religion, but an introduction to truth about reality as God alone knows it. To deny Jesus’ message while pursuing spirituality is to conjure an imaginary religion in an attempt to see heaven while sight is confined to the earth. That is precisely what Jesus challenged when he said, “I have come that [you] may have life” (John 10:10). His life spells living. Your life or my life, apart from Him, spells death
  4. Kill the Messenger, a movie
    • Now that you know the truth, you will be faced with the most important decision of your life. And, that will be what to with it.
  5. Pastor Paris Reidhead
    • Ruling Religion is pragmatism. If it works, it is true. If it succeeds, it is good. The test of all truth is if it works. ( Ten Shekels And A Shirt by Paris Reidhead )
  6. Chuck Missler
    • The only barrier to truth is that you already have it.
  7. Christopher Yuan
    • My Response to the Closing of Exodus International (full)  ( Link )
      • Whether Christians agree or disagree with Chambers’ statements and apologies, it is true many Christians view homosexual sex and same-sex romantic relationships to be worse than any other sin and treat LGBT people with disdain. This is truth at the expense of grace and does not reflect Gospel-centered living. We must repent of this hypocrisy. Churches encourage compassion toward unreached people groups (Muslims, ethnic minorities in Asia, tribes in South America), the poor (homeless, Dalit), and the needy (those sexually exploited, those living with HIV/AIDS), but do little to reach out to one of the most unreached people groups in America—LGBT people. Is not the Gospel to be proclaimed to all people?
  8. John Paul Jackson
    • Truth involves the motive for doing it. Fact involves just what you are doing.
    • Draw people into small groups. They don’t want you to hear.
  9. C.S. Lewis
    • But, Pain sometimes gives the only opportunity the bad man can have for amendment. It removes the veil; it plants the flag of truth within the fortress of a rebel soul….
  10. Eliza Farnham
    • The ultimate aim of the human mind, in all its efforts, is to become acquainted with Truth
  11. Anais Nin
    • Truth is something which can’t be told in a few words. Those who simplify the universe only reduce the expansion of its meaning.
  12. Kahlil Gibran
    • In battling evil, excess is good; for he who is moderate in announcing the truth is presenting half-truth. He conceals the other half out of fear of the people’s wrath.
    • Always you have been told that work is a curse and labour a misfortune. But I say to you that when you work you fulfill a part of earth’s furthest dream, assigned to you when that dream was born, and in keeping yourself with labour you are in truth loving life…
  13. Charlie Sheen
    • Regardless of their saltless reputations I also led with condoms and honesty when it came to my condition. Sadly my truth soon became their treason as a deluge of blackmail and distortion took centre stage in this circus of deceit ( Link )
  14. Jon Foreman, Switchfoot
    • Art is to remain in that tension and tell the truth.
  15. Ross Perot
    • If your wife can not trust you, who can

Preterism

Background

Going home yesterday ran into a gentleman who also happens to be a Christian Pastor.

We tracked into a discussion on Preterism.

What is Preterism?

Wikipedia

Link

Preterism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened from the 7th century BC until the first century AD, while seeing the prophecies of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

Historical

A prominent preterist exposition of prophecy was written by the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar during the Counter Reformation. Moses Stuart noted that Alcasar’s preterist interpretation was of considerable benefit to the Roman Catholic Church during its arguments with Protestants, and preterism has been described in modern eschatological commentary as a Catholic defense against the Protestant Historicist view which identified the Roman Catholic Church as a persecuting apostasy.

Due to resistance by Protestant Historicists, the preterist view was slow to gain acceptance outside the Roman Catholic Church. Among Protestants it was first accepted by Hugo Grotius, a Dutch Protestant eager to establish common ground between Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church. His first attempt to do this was entitled ‘Commentary on Certain Texts Which Deal with Antichrist’ (1640), in which he attempted to argue that the texts relating to Antichrist had their fulfillment in the 1st century AD. This was not well received by Protestants, but Grotius was undeterred and in his next work, ‘Commentaries On The New Testament’ (1641–50), he expanded his preterist views to include the Olivet prophecy and Revelation.

 

Biblical Foundation

Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Tim 2:17-18)

Full preterism is sometimes viewed as heretical, based upon the historic creeds of the church (which would exclude this view), and also from Biblical passages that condemn a past view of the Resurrection or the denial of a physical resurrection or transformation of the body — doctrines which most Christians believe to be essential to the faith. Critics of full preterism point to the Apostle Paul’s condemnation of the doctrine of Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Tim 2:17-18), which they regard as analogous to full preterism. Adherents of full preterism, however, dispute this assertion by pointing out that Paul’s condemnation was written during a time in which (their idea of) the Resurrection was still in the future (i.e., pre-AD 70). Their critics assert that if the Resurrection has not yet happened, then the condemnation would still apply.

 

Videos

  1. Dr. Brock Hollet
    • Joel Richardson :- Debunking Preterism with Dr. Brock Hollett | The
      Underground #94
      Channel :- Joel Richardson
      Published On :- 2018-June-19th
      Link
  2. Andrew Wommack
    • Andrew Wommack – Preterism
      Link
  3. Samuel M. Frost
    • Sam Frost – Why I Left Full Hyper Preterism – AD 70
      Published On :- 2018-Sept-6th
      Link
    • Why I Left Full (Hyper) Preterism – Sam Frost
      Samuel M. Frost was once a devoted Hyper-Preterist. Now, he’s converted to Orthodox Preterism. In this interview, he explains his conversion.
      Channel :- eschatology247
      Published On :- 2013-April-5th

      Link
  4. Fountain of Israel
    • Preterism Examined & Refuted 1& 2
      Channel :- Fountain of Israel
      Published On :- 2016-Dec-6th
      Link
  5. William Lane Craig
    • Preterism Debunked – William Lane Craig
      Link
  6. Joshua Prasch
    • Amillennialism And Post Amillennialism – James Jacob Prasch – Live From England
      Channel :- Moriel Ministries
      Published :- 2016-April-15th
      Link
  7. Darrell Myatt
    • Preterism: Do You Know About This Dangerous Theology?
      Channel :- DarrellMyatt1963
      Published On :- 2009-Nov-17th

 

In-depth

Dr. Brock Hollett

Debunking Preterism with Dr. Brock Hollett | The Underground #94

  1. Every generation takes the same view that the Day of the Lord is fast approaching

Samuel M. Frost

Sam Frost – Why I Left Full Hyper Preterism – AD 70

  1. Theonomy
    • View of God word can be demonstrated
  2. Dispensation
    • Dispensation is is not a Theology.  It is an eschatology.  It begins with an eschatology and has to go back and fit all of its Theology within its eschatology per-suppositions
    • It is fragmented
    • It cannot create a coherent, cohesive,  systematic position that pertains to a world view
  3. Preterism
    • All of the Pauline letters are interpreted through 70 AD
    • Paul was expecting Jesus to come back in 70 AD
    • Everything is breaded through 70 AD
    • Parousia
    • Romans  6 through 8
    • Sanctification is to the body of Christ
    • Nothing with body resurrection
    • pigeonholed
    • Slogan of “Time of End” and not “End of Time
    • Here gone and fulfilled
    • Now what do we do with the last 2000 years
    • And, now what do we do …

Books

Book Reviews

Brock David Hollett

Debunking Preterism: How Over-Realized Eschatology Misses the Not Yet of Bible Prophecy

Amazon
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By 2013, he had finished writing a book defending preterism and was scheduled to be a conference speaker at a preterist prophecy conference. However, on the very night that he received the first box of 100 books from his publisher, the Lord spoke to his heart to reexamine the biblical doctrine of the resurrection of the dead, which led him to repent of his involvement with preterism.

In 2017, God placed a fresh burden on Dr. Hollett’s heart to write a book that sets forth a proper biblical eschatology and a roadmap for refuting preterism. He wrote Debunking Preterism: How Over-realized Eschatology Misses the “Not Yet” of Bible Prophecy in only three months, sensing a prophetic urgency regarding the project. Debunking Preterism will undoubtedly become the gold standard on the topic of preterism. The book is replete with a wealth of illustrative figures and comparative charts that reinforce its main concepts. Special emphasis is placed upon a proper understanding of the biblical time statements and the “already and not yet” principle of eschatology.

 

Problematic

To me there are various issues with a Preterism view.

  1. Boxing
    • It boxes God into a strong timeline
    • It boxes jesus into a strong timeline
      • It argues Jesus came back in AD 70
  2. Temple Destruction
    • It says that people already flee the temple and there is no significance into a new Temple
  3. Audience
    • It teaches that Jesus was speaking to a particular focus group and not to generations thereafter
  4. Jewish State
    • It could lead to ambiguity about the role  of an actual Jewish state
  5. Millennium Timeline
    • Verses
      • Verse ( Revelations 20:1-3)
        • And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.
          He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
          He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
    • Questions
      • Will there be an actual Millennium Age
      • Or is it only Symbolic
  6. Replacement Theology
    • Stairway into replacement Theology?
    • Has God promises of Land and Davidic Rule taken place, nullified, or will occur at a later time

Summary

It is one thing to listen to discussions against a straw man.  But, when someone actually believes some of these things, it gives Christianity flesh.