WordPress:- Categories Versus Tags

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Will like to share transcripts from an issue that WordPress Support is working on my behalf.

 

WordPress – Support Take – Categories Versus Tags

WordPress – Norman

@ Sep 2, 2020, 6:14 AM UTC

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Hi there,

Thanks for your patience.

I did a quick check of your site and found that when i open the post editor, due to the unsually large number of categories on your site. It takes well over a minute to load the category section.

I see this pending message in the browser inspector until that process completes, and it takes really very long

– https://d.pr/i/Dhsdz1

Categories on a website are meant to be like a section in a print magazine. Though there is nothing that stops you from making a large number of categories. Just like a magazine, anything above 10 – 20 sections would appear far more fragmented to the user. It will also make the editor slow to respond since it is not a usual case to have so many categories.

If you need a more fine way to segregate posts, you may consider using tags, and use categories only for larger sections of the site.

Here is an article that explains the difference between categories and tags, and when its usage would be appropriate.

http://en.support.wordpress.com/posts/categories-vs-tags/

It is likely that the same issue is causing categories to not get copied on a copied post, since as I mentioned, it takes a very long time to load all the categories and check if the post is added to it.

The copy process would time out before that.

I hope this makes sense and will help you manage the site better in the future.

Regards,

Norman – Happiness Engineer | Automattic Inc. |

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Norman (Automattic)

Sep 1, 2020, 6:14 AM UTC

Hi there,

Thanks for your patience.

I did a quick check of your site and found that when i open the post editor, due to the unsually large number of categories on your site. It takes well over a minute to load the category section.

I see this pending message in the browser inspector until that process completes, and it takes really very long

Screenshot
– https://d.pr/i/Dhsdz1

Categories on a website are meant to be like a section in a print magazine. Though there is nothing that stops you from making a large number of categories. Just like a magazine, anything above 10 – 20 sections would appear far more fragmented to the user. It will also make the editor slow to respond since it is not a usual case to have so many categories.

If you need a more fine way to segregate posts, you may consider using tags, and use categories only for larger sections of the site.

Here is an article that explains the difference between categories and tags, and when its usage would be appropriate.

http://en.support.wordpress.com/posts/categories-vs-tags/

It is likely that the same issue is causing categories to not get copied on a copied post, since as I mentioned, it takes a very long time to load all the categories and check if the post is added to it. The copy process would time out before that.

I hope this makes sense and will help you manage the site better in the future.

Regards,

Norman – Happiness Engineer | Automattic Inc. |

 

 

Sep 1, 2020, 4:31 PM UTC

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I performed a test. And, the test is to choose a post that contains a few categories. I copied that post and ended up with none of the categories copied over.

Hi Daniel,

The script delay that I shared was for a post which had only one or two categories selected.

From what I tested it seems like the issue is caused by the sheer number of categories, not just the number of selected categories.

To test this for yourself, create another website on a free plan from https://wordpress.com/start/free

Create a few dummy posts and with not more than a total of 5 – 10 categories in the site.

Try copying a post and see if you are able to replicate the same error you get in the site with 8000 categories.

Thanks,

Norman – Happiness Engineer

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Paul

Sep 2, 2020, 5:41 PM UTC

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Paul (Automattic)

Sep 2, 2020, 5:41 PM UTC

Daniel,

Why is the current code looking at all of the categories?
It should only be looking to copying the categories attached to the post.
It appears to be an easy fix/optimization on your side.

Good question!

We will get feedback on this issue from our team and will let you know once we have more information.

In the interim, please try following the recommendations we previously gave you regarding this issue:

Categories on a website are meant to be like a section in a print magazine. Though there is nothing that stops you from making a large number of categories. Just like a magazine, anything above 10 – 20 sections would appear far more fragmented to the user. It will also make the editor slow to respond since it is not a usual case to have so many categories.

If you need a more fine way to segregate posts, you may consider using tags, and use categories only for larger sections of the site.

Here is an article that explains the difference between categories and tags, and when its usage would be appropriate.

http://en.support.wordpress.com/posts/categories-vs-tags/

It is likely that the same issue is causing categories to not get copied on a copied post, since as I mentioned, it takes a very long time to load all the categories and check if the post is added to it. The copy process would time out before that.

I hope this makes sense and will help you manage the site better in the future.
Thank you for your patience!

Best,

Paul C. – Support Engineer

This email is a service from Automattic.

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