Koinonia House – Chuck Missler, Ron Matsen, Dr William Welty – Revelation 12:1-5

Background

This morning stumbled upon a video posted on youtube.

The video dissects how far one should go in merging biblical and astronomical studies.

 

Videos

Was the Revelation 12:1-5 prophecy fulfilled on September 23rd?

Videos – NO

  1. Revelations 12 Sign – A Biblical Scholar’s View – The Forge with Ron Matsen #8
    • This week, Ron has a discussion with Dr William Welty on Sept 23rd 2017 and digs into the language of the scriptures. Are we indeed seeing the Revelation Sign fulfilled in the next 24 hours? Ron and William will take this all into ‘The Forge.’‘The Forge’ with Ron Matsen, is a new program from Koinonia House dedicated to hammering out the issues using God’s word.1 Thessalonians 5:21 says “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” Our desire is take your questions into ‘The Forge’ and hammer, sharpen, and test all things in accordance with God’s word.
    •  Videos
      • YouTube
        • September 23rd Rev 12 Sign – A Biblical Scholar’s View – The Forge with Ron Matsen #8
          Publisher :- Koinonia House
          Publish Date :- 2017-Sept-22nd
          Link
  2. September 23rd, 2017, The Great Sign – The Forge with Ron Matsen #4
    • Videos
      • YouTube
        • September 23rd, 2017, The Great Sign – The Forge with Ron Matsen #4
          Does Revelation 12 predict an astrological event? Is this event the trigger point for ‘The Rapture’? Join Ron Matsen as he takes the September 23rd 2017 prophecies into ‘The Forge.’
          Publisher :- Koinonia House
          Publish Date :- 2017-July-31st
          Link

 

Videos – Yes

  1. Scott Clarke
    • Scott Clarke on The September 23rd 2017 ‘Great Sign’ – The Forge with Ron Matsen #5
      Published :- 2017-August-3rd
      Link
    • The GREATEST End-Times SIGN – Revelation 12 | September 23, 2017 … HERE IS WHY!!
      Published :- 2017-May-15th
      Link
  2. Parable of the Vineyard
    • The Revelation 12 Sign in 5 Minutes! September 23 2017 Alignment Explained What you need to know
      Published :- 2017-June-15th
      Link

Indepth

  1. Scripture References
    • Revelations 12:1-5
      • And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: ( Revelations 12:1 )
      • And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. ( Revelations 12:2 )
      • And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.  ( Revelations 12:3 )
      • And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.  ( Revelations 12:4 )
      • And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.  ( Revelations 12:5 )
    • Genesis 1:14 ( Signs – Mazzaroth )
      • Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years ( Genesis 1:14 )
    • Job 38:31-32 ( Signs – Mazzaroth )
      • “Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
        Or loose the belt of Orion?  ( Genesis 38:31 )
      • Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season?
        Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?   ( Genesis 38:32 )
  2. Timeline
    • Sept 23rd, 2017
  3. Conclusion?
    • Woman & Child
  4. Signs in the Sky
  5. Interpretation Assumptions
  6. William P. Welty, Ph.D.
    • Studied Under
      • Walter Kaiser
      • Gleason Archer
  7. Witnessing to All Nations, yet fall away ( Matthew 24:10-12 )
    • At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another
    • and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.
    • Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold.… ( matthew 24:12 )
  8. International Standard Version Bible
    • ISV Foundation
      Link
  9. Blood Moon?
  10. Vices
    • Forsaken grammatical interpretation of scripture
    • Hate and avoid biblical studies and systematic theology
    • Mirror Emergent Church
    • What will the normal guy understand the scripture to mean
    • Wicked imagination leads people down the errored path
  11. Biblical Studies
    • Hebrew Language
      • Hebrew is very action oriented
      • Take a look at the Verbs first and then the Nouns
      • We have to look at what is being done first
      • And, then look at what that is applied to
    • What is being governed
      • Govern day from night
    • What are stars for
      • Stars given to navigate ocean
      • Liturgical calendar
        • Feast
        • Yon Kippur
        • Day of atonement
      • Accuracy
        • Can be calculated forward
        • And, backward
      • God saw the the fall
        • And, before creating man
        • He created the calendar first
  12. Use of calendar is a biblical no-no
    • Those who practice astrology as a way to align God’s calendar are on fool’s errand
  13. God never used Stars to indicate prophetic timeline
  14. Magi
    • Mixed up babylon and jewish religion
      • Daniel 2:1-2
        • In the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar had dreams; his spirit was troubled, and his sleep left him.
        • Then the king commanded that the magicians, the enchanters, the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans be summoned to tell the king his dreams.
    • Godly jews left behind after Babylon
    • Pagan Worship
    • Bethlehem Star
      • Is it an astronomical body?
      • Or something else
    • Prophet?
      • Why would a prophet who has a “Thus saith the Lord” need to use astronomical signs
  15. God’s Light
    • God was so mad at Herod and he did not want to have to say anything to him
    • And, he so his presence left the madi
    • Once the madi got back to their way the star’s returned
  16. Revelations
    • Apocalyptic Literature
      • God takes a complex subject and makes it accessible to Mac users like you and me
      • Instead of giving you complex instructions, he gives you symbolic data
      • Why No details
        • Promised
          • God has never promised he will give full details
        • Hostile Jamming
          • God is not bounded to detail
          • And, thus his hope can not be forfeited
          • He anticipates Hostile Jamming and so he encodes it

 

Summary

  1. Big Question Mark
    • New Heresy? Astro-Eschatology
    • Umbilical and frankly occultic amalgamation of babylon mystery
  2. Witnessing 24:11
    • Many will be disappointed
    • Not a minor movement
    • Many scandals
    • Twisting of the scripture
      • Sell books
      • Until of course the day after
  3. Blood Moon Controversy

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