Background
A couple of weeks ago, I listened in as Francis Collins spoke a bit about his book “Language of God“.
The discussion was at the Veritas Forum at the California Institute of Technology ( CalTech ) in Pasadena, CA.
Presentation
The presentation is available at :
Francis Collins – The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence of Belief
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGu_VtbpWhE
Quote
He touched on the importance of using Augustine’s writing as a backdrop when attempting to resolve seemingly incompatible thoughts; i.e space things out a bit.
Augustine’s Quote
The Literal meaning of Genesis – 400 AD
http://college.holycross.edu/faculty/alaffey/other_files/Augustine-Genesis1.pdf
In matters that are obscure and far beyond our vision, even in such as we may find treated in Holy Scripture, different Interpretations are sometimes possible without prejudice to the faith we have received. In such a case, we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search of truth justly undermines this position, we too fall with it. That would be to battle not for the teaching of Holy Scripture but for our own, wishing its teaching to conform to ours, whereas we ought to wish ours to conform to that of Sacred Scripture.
Introduction
His introduction was brief and informative. Areas he touched on includes:
- Let us reason together
- Started out as a reductionist and “material”
- DNA Sequencing problem causing cancer
- Saw a lady dying and she was at peace with it
Question
Faith’s journey invigorated by seeing a dying lady who had come to peace with it. The lady shared her life and faith with him. And, thereafter said to him “I told you about my faith, now Doctor what do you believe?“.
Francis Collins – “Nature Pointers to God”
Finding pointers in Nature:
- There is something instead of nothing
- The unreasonable effectiveness of Mathematics
- The Big Bang
- The precise tuning of physical constants in the Universe
Francis Collins – Possibilities
He iterated possible explanations for the preciseness of Science.
- Constant – Aporia reason due to relationship – There might be relationships between them
- Multiverse – There are other universes just like this one
- Intentional
And, how when one is faced with myriad choices one should apply “Occam Razor“; that is choose the simplest reason. Which leads us to choosing the the intentional option. This appears to be where Einstein’s ended up.
Since Einstein’s day, there are more fine tune arguments.
In summary, we now have found a Deist God, but not necessarily Theist God.
Francis Collins – Moral Law
- We, humans, are under a moral law
- It is a Universal Law
- Is it completely explained by altruism?
- Reason for Altruism
- Family
- Reciprocal – Reproductive reason
- Martin Nowak – Prisoner Dilemma – Harvard Professor – Entire Group
- But, all the reasons means that one still has to be hostile to people outside of the group
- How does one explain extension to other groups
- Mother Theresa
- Wesley Autrey, Construction worker – New York Subway
- Reason to Look further
- If one is looking for a God that is good and holy
In summary, Mr. Collins arrived at a Theist God via trying to grasp the fullness of a Universal Moral Law.
Francis Collins – “Loving God with all your mind“
- No longer have reasons to resist
- Reasons behind the decision
- Love God with all your mind
- Talks about Mark Noll’s book – “Scandal of the evangelical mind“
Francis uses Luke 10:27 “And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself“, to affirm that there is no conflict between Mind/Science and worshiping God.
Life Sciences
- DNA – Digital Code
- DNA Theory is fundamentally correct
- Evolution – Shared Ancestry of humans and other organisms*
- Fossil record
- DNA
- Compared DNA Sequencing
- pseudogene ( RIP in humans i.e. GULO – Humans unable to make Vitamin C on their own, while other animals might not have a problem )
Richard Dickens
Richard Dickens – argument
- Has a book known as “God’s Delusion”
- Arguments against God
Richard Dickens – Rebuttal
- Universal Negative ( Atheism is the most daring of all dogma, for it is the assertion of a universal negative – G.K. Chesterton)
- Category Error ( God is outside of Nature and thus shall not be placed exclusively in nature)
- Science is only able to comments on things that are in nature and not on things outside of nature. Silence has to remain silence in Nature )
- Richard Dickens “If earth was created by God. it must be a God more complicated than the God we are talking about“
- One cannot be an Atheist and argue that Science totally supports that conviction
- 40% of Science believe in God
- God’s role in Evolution
- God’s planned for evolution
- Neurological house (brain)
- Free will
- Soul
- Made in God’s image – Mind VS Body
- Our free will lead to disobedience to God
- Humans realization of violation of Moral code
- No violence to faith nor science
- Theistic Evolution ( BioLogos )
- Bios = Life
- Logos = The Word
- God’s planned for evolution
Objections to BioLogos
- Bacterial Flagellum
Books
- Darrel R. Falk – Coming to Peace with Science
- Karl W. Giberson – Saving Darwin
- N. T. Wright – Resurrection of Son of God
Q/A
Here is the Q/A Transcript. Where available I have placed the time-slot where the Question began and Answer ended in parenthesis.
Importance of Prayer
- Mode of listening
- In prayer, one might get an insight into oneself ( Mystical )
Evolution Maturity
- Age of Universe – 13.7 billion years
- Age of the Earth – 4.55 billion years
- The God of Deception
- If one does not read from Scripture a requirement to postulate a young earth, then one might have to go with what Science is telling us about earth’s age
Post Humanist
- Stephen Hawkins
- Messing with Human’s germ life safety?
- What is improvement
- Who gets access
- God’s Image thought
The sloppiness of DNA ( 1:11:57 )
- Mitochondria DNA
- DNA Transition to Nuclear from Genome?
- Ancient Event / Variability of the event / Recent event
- He is outside of the data
Physical vs Spiritual Death
- Augustine’s discussion of Genesis
- Christianity has not been forced to revise its understanding even after aggressive growth in Science
- Evolution vs Pauline Canon
- Where does Death come from?
- Scripture – Death is a result of human science
- Evolution – Death is integral to creation
- Scripture
- Romans 5
- 1st Corinthians 15
- Death
- Does it exclude animal death
- Not a theologian
- Physical vs Spiritual death
Movie – Expelled
- Prosecution in Academia
- Whip up resentment against Academic
- Speak bluntly about those things
Miracle
- Q/A
- Nature Miracle (Manna from Miracle, Jesus feeding hundreds with bread)
- Is God contradictory or disorder
- God is almighty
- Why did not God not intervene during Holocaust
- Answer
- Whether one believes in God and whether one believes that God is the author of nature
- Moments of great significance
- Jesus Resurrection
Book – Born to be Good – The Science of a meaning Life
- Q/A
- Is there a gene for altruism
- Answer
- Neurological Pathway
- Free will decisions
- Neurological Pathway
- Divinely inspired action that needs a path to be carried out
- Emotions such as Deep prayer life bring about emotion
Pre-commitments Role ( 1:24:30 – 1:27:15 )
- Q/A
- The evidence seems to support both a Theistic and Naturalistic viewpoint
- Pre-Commitment to a world view, conceptual scheme
- Evidence gains its meaning
- Internal consistency within a conceptual view
- Preconceived conclusion – Is one not just as good as the other?
- If one is better, how does one move from being a Naturalist to been a Theist?
- Answer
- One has to choose one or the other?
- Being other or the other improvises you
- Placing a High firewall between them
- Having to choose one is a recent idea and a bit flawed
- One can find God in the Laboratory or the Cathedral
- One has to choose one or the other?
Agnostic Atheism
- Q/A
- Mental Crutch of having to believe in a God
- Physics
- Free will
- Answer
- Physics
- The predetermination of Classical mechanics
- Quantum brings more fluidity
- Agnostics
- Principled Agnostic
- Others it might suggest I do want to think about it
- Physics
Summary
Once again, there is a lot to learn out there. Veritas Forums, Ted Talks, and many others facilitate important and meaningful discussions.
And, thanks to Google and YouTube unusually smart and “gifting” people are a lot closer than they would otherwise be. They are well-read and do not hide it; in actuality, they share their sources.
They are also open to meaningful reproach.
As Ravi Zachariah likes to say, the Q/A part is where the fireworks happen.
Reference
- Occam Razor
- Occam’s Razor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam’s_razor
- Occam’s Razor
- Deism
- Deism ( Wikipedia )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
- Deism ( Wikipedia )
- Theism
- Martin Nowak
- Program for evolutionary dynamics Harvard University
http://www.ped.fas.harvard.edu/people/faculty/
- Program for evolutionary dynamics Harvard University
- Wesley Autrey
- Wesley Autrey ( Wikipedia )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Autrey
- Wesley Autrey ( Wikipedia )
- Mark Noll
- Scandal of the Evangelic Mind
http://www.amazon.com/Scandal-Evangelical-Mind-Mark-Noll/dp/0802841805
- Scandal of the Evangelic Mind
- Stephen L. Carter
- Stephen Carter on his novel “The Emperor of Ocean Park”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq93J0lg0Uc
- Stephen Carter on his novel “The Emperor of Ocean Park”
- Richard Dawkins
- Richard Dawkins
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
- Richard Dawkins
- Bacteria Flagellum
- Evolution myths: The bacterial flagellum is irreducibly complex
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13663-evolution-myths-the-bacterial-flagellum-is-irreducibly-complex.html#.VAyHT1RdUds
- Evolution myths: The bacterial flagellum is irreducibly complex
- Pau(line) Doctrine
- Robert M. Price – The Evolution of the Pauline Canon
http://www.depts.drew.edu/jhc/Rpcanon.html
- Robert M. Price – The Evolution of the Pauline Canon
- God vs Science
- God vs. Science, Richard Dawkins and Francis Collins interviewed by Dan Cray
http://www.inters.org/Dawkins-Collins-Cray-Science
- God vs. Science, Richard Dawkins and Francis Collins interviewed by Dan Cray